Garmin Upload - Training Effect & Benefit does not work

[Hegger]

Hi,

was there a change to the system? Up to some weeks ago it worked to get the Training Effect data in combined files. Now I did the combination as usual but in Garmin Connect the training effect is not showing in the activity anymore.

Also stamina and intensity minutes are missing in the combined file.

I attached the overviews like I see them in Garmin Connect.

Thanks,
Thomas

[fulmar2]

Hegger -

I have changed a lot on GOTOES in the last few weeks, but have not touched the Training Effect calculation. Just to be sure, though, I created an 8 second duration activity and inserted "VO2 Max" for one... and "Threshold" for the other. Both came out as expected with GOTOES being able to override the data.

If you ever have any doubt about GOTOES inserting fields, you can either download the raw data from GOTOES (bottom right, near the big blue button)... or better yet, you can upload your GOTOES export to "FitfileViewer". This is a 3rd party which will verify the presence (or absence) of data fields in a raw form. It seems to me that for some Garmin accounts, they are overriding the Training Effect data that is embedded in the FIT file... and instead, they are re-calculating the Training Effect based on the heart rate from the activity.

I'm not sure how to change this setting, as my 2 Garmin accounts (my personal account and my test account) do not do this override. My guess is that it has to either do with a setting in your Garmin Account... or perhaps even your geography - maybe certain accounts are treated differently depending on where you live? Just guesses to explore.

[Hegger]

Thanks for your fast reply.

I opened a second account with the same result. It doesnt import stamina, training effect etc. I found in the fit file viewer that my clock a fenix 7 is not inserted in the device info fields. Maybe this is the culprit. In a activity from April 28th, that included the training effect data, my watch is showing in the acitivity but not in the one I combined an uploaded today.

What can I do to include my watch correctly in the combined file? After importing the two files the watch is showing as well as the serial number and the software version.

[Hegger]

Upadte:

I now have to change the "GPS Type in Output File:" to my watch manually. Then at least trainings effect data are showing again in Garmin Connect (although with the slighty different calculation after upload). Up the last time I used GOTOES end of April, it automatically took my watch as "GPS Type in Output File:" and not my indoor bike. Now I have to adjust this before combining the files.

[fulmar2]

@Hegger - I just changed the ranking system for the auto-selection of GPS devices. The tool already weighed in the presence of serial number, software version, and whether or not it is Zwift (with preference towards Zwift in the export) when deciding which GPS type to put in the export. Now, the name "Garmin" also weighs in - with a preference towards auto-selecting Garmin as the export device. I feel this is a safe choice because Garmin Connect is very picky about having a Garmin Device as the device type. Meanwhile, other platforms do not seem to care. This makes Garmin the safest choice if there is more than one option. Could you please test this for me and/or provide a files where I can test the auto-select feature? Thanks!

[fulmar2]

Guys - I have verified that this: Garmin will override FIT Training Load / TrainingEffect / Benefit if you include heart rate. Basically, Garmin is re-calculating these factors from the heart rate and IGNORING the values that GOTOES puts into the fields.

The best way to get this fixed is to ask Garmin Connect to stop overriding the data. You can do that by using this link:

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?produ ... tab=topics

Select “Chat” or “Call” and let Garmin know that they should not recalculate Training Load / TrainingEffect / Benefit from heart rate unless those values are absent.

Thanks!
Brian

[GotoesUser]

Strange... because it has always worked for me like this, until today! But I will follow your recommendations.

Thank you very much!

[fulmar2]

Yes, yes! Either Garmin Connect is slowly releasing this “feature” to the public… or maybe there is a setting that we can change in our accounts? I do not know.

I will tell you this:
People in Europe noticed it first. I could not replicate the issue with either of my two USA based accounts. I haven’t looked at the problem since May, but I could not replicate the issue in May either. Now, today, I can replicate the issue… so my account is also ignoring the TE/TL/BE starting recently. I have two accounts - a “real” account and a “test” account. Check this out: In my “real” account, Garmin does the override. In my “test” account, Garmin does NOT do the override. So maybe it has something to do with the frequency of use… or an accumulation of heart rate data? or maybe Garmin recalculates if you submit from your non-primary tracking device? In my test account, I am loading files from people around the world. If you can figure out how to prevent Garmin from automatically recalculating, you’d be a hero to many! If you want to prove this to yourself, make a "test" Garmin Connect account, and upload a file from GOTOES. You will see that TE/TL/BE are all exactly the same values you specify in GOTOES.